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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast it's a breaking news podcast

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welcoming dan on the pod with me how we

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doing dan hello hello it is uh it is a

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good day

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pentagon obviously as we were found out

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in the last 24 hours or so but yesterday

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we saw online officially announced by

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george knapp and his co-authors column

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keller doctor colin kelleher and also

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james

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uh lakatsky i always want to say lataski

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james

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skinwalkers at the pentagon an insider's

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account of the secret government ufo

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program is available to order now you

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can read it on kindle i've got my

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paperback version on the way i prefer

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like a solid book so we've not read the

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book yet but we have watched the mystery

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wire interview and we have also read the

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synopsis of the book so we're doing well

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there has been um tidbits kind of

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popping up from people who are reading

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the book so there are kind of pertinent

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points to discuss there i think

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absolutely so straight off the bat and

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that synopsis stand and we talk about

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this a little bit on the kg ra show this

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week so please folks check out kgra

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db.com for our show or you can check out

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on their youtube channel but we'll be

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going into it in more detail here just

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because of what was announced and when

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and that's the other show by the way you

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can check that on youtube uh dan yeah so

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the book has dropped james lickatsky uh

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is a pretty big deal isn't he because he

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essentially was the program manager for

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ossap which we know was the

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right now i'm going to hopefully say

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this correct because this has been

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muddied a little bit over the last 24

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hours online osap was the predecessor to

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ata which we've always known however

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as has been mentioned by lou in the past

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that atep was a continuation of ossa

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what's the confusion dan where are

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people getting mixed up here and stephen

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greenstreet was posting online and there

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was a little bit of back and forward

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between a few names what's the confusion

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here with the program sure so the way

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that lukatsky explains it uh he says

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that atip was a kind of nickname for

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osap for security reasons so we

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essentially have two versions of atip we

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have the version that they're referring

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to osap and they're using the nickname

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and then we have the version of atip

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that was formally situated uh inside the

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the pentagon and that's what uh you know

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louis elizondo was working on that

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supposedly was zero funded they had film

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to look at it focused on military

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encounters but it's not what received

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the 22 million in funding that was

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cool so asap didn't go away it was a

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continuation and eventually lu took over

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the program and we we tend to know that

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uh affectionately now as lu ran a tip

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lived inside the pentagon and was very

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focused and that's where lou was

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and you know what i know people love to

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get really technical and it's important

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people get these details right either

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way folks they were government-backed

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ufo programs that's what you need to

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know and that's what's getting called

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don't get bogged down and arguing online

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about what was osap and what was atip

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because at the end of the day the

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government studied and funded and looked

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at ufos that's the headline here isn't

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it absolutely and likowski says that

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you know point blank he said it was

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completely ufo related which means that

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susan goff uh fibbed essentially

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when she said that it wasn't um yet zero

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ambiguity from james lichanski he's the

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guy that started those programs you know

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a misrepresentation to answer for i'd

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say i am shocked um i was interested

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then that james himself mentioned as

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part of that that they had gathered the

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largest ufo database in the world which

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is currently being used by the u.s

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military still and in one of the tidbits

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mentions the uk as well so it's not just

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databases south american databases from

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brazil argentina um but this this sounds

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different beast you know it might even

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the thing that we've all wanted to find

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the way i've seen someone mention it was

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no because lou worked

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oh i'm going to mess up these acronyms

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oh usdi so that would be a different

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department james tacosky was the d.i.a

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online by someone and i thought i don't

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think they were there at the same time

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working on that program where they so

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i mean it seems that there was crossover

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you know lulu was supposedly there at

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dinners um on the ranch and there's some

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suggestive sentences about rv ability

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remote viewing ability sorry i shouldn't

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show them that no i know everyone knows

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those acronyms um

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so yeah it certainly seems that there

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was some involvement whether

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lou will open that up about that in his

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own book or whether that's a

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conversation for further down the road

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is anyone's guess

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i can call that one right now dan i

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think with reasonable accuracy that is a

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conversation for way down the road sure

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lou elizondo will not right now talk

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about any and we'll have to still say

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potential because until it comes from

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his mouth and it's still yeah

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speculation but speculation with you i

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mean it's not a quote in the book is it

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it's a prose so yeah and i'm not saying

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that it's definitely not happened i'm

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sure i'm sure it has from the people

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writing the book and the tone of the

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book maybe maybe if george knapp comes

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back on you you can ask knapp if there's

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a sourced quote there that maybe he can

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refer to that proves that point

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i won't make it a secret the email is

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out there and i've i've messaged george

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knapp and he knows i want them to come

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on and i'm sure everyone else does as

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well but we'll see what happens uh he's

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got back to me which is which is nice

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and the the tentative feelers are out

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there for that which is which is good

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i've had a few listeners message to say

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you have to get these guys on and i was

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on that pretty quick don't worry um but

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regarding the loyola zondo and remote

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viewing that will not be a conversation

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that lou entertains because it's a bit

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of a lose-lose

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because either muddies the waters in

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terms of the ufo community as to to what

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lou's position really is right now

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but also from a mainstream media point

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of view it just changes every single

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thing that lou has said or done because

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from now on if lu elizondo comes out and

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says

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i have or have entertained or i've been

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a remote viewer it all of a sudden

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becomes psychic spy headline luella

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zondo was a remote viewer and the

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headlines and all the questions come to

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that and that's why he himself doesn't

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talk about any sightings or experiences

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and that's why he doesn't talk about

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remote viewing and keeps very much his

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opinion out of this he tries to keep it

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based on the conversation and i respect

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that and get that listen i would love to

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sit in an interview lou and speak to him

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about his own experiences his sightings

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was he a psychic spy what has he remote

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viewed that would be great it's not

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going to happen any time in the near

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future because it would totally change

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we're on some nice kind of it's like

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rough river right and and we we kind of

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have these nice little safe spots we can

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stand in and

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our steps have to be purposeful and and

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well i think of the lose analogy of

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feeding someone

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nutritious food too fast even that will

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kill them you know yeah slow and steady

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wins the race i think on this one folks

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when it comes to lou part two for that

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question and answer show it's one that

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there's i'm sure there's a way to phrase

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the question that you might get a little

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but it's also i reckon time that would

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invested elsewhere in different

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conversations but we'll see when that

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time comes but that'll be an interesting

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one no doubt anyway

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tonight as this is released at midnight

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on the 13th of october uh or would that

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be the midnight on the 14th uk i don't

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know but basically this evening

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vinnie adams of disclosure team one of

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our colleagues at uap media uk is

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interviewing lou that conversation has

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been booked for a while and is largely

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going to be based on the artificial

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intelligence program that lou is looking

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at developing and bringing out as part

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of conversations they've had previously

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but i'm sure it will come up at some

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point within that conversation anyway

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dan is moderating the chat for that one

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aren't you done so you'll be about yeah

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i'll be about to kind of try and augment

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things and you know

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if anyone kicks off about not talking

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about remote viewing we can soothe them

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yeah but um yeah so listen anyway

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there's a lot of good stuff within the

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interview that mr eyre posted with

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george james and calm themselves like

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you mentioned dan atep in the pentagon

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was not funded it looked at important

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military ufo encounters

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again i think as stuff starts to come

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they did not look back at public events

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you know things like the phoenix lights

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and and such just basically as i look at

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the military encounters important ones

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important references how much data was

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available and that would be how modern

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the sensors were the radar anything and

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everything that may have picked this

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stuff up which is why we get the stuff

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from 2004 onwards it wasn't a public

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investigation of uap or ufos not to say

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that hasn't happened in some way shape

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or form but it's not what these programs

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were developed for would that be fair

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yeah i think so there's a few cases that

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have kind of come up in the book uh one

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of them being the raf lincoln heath ufo

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encounter which is an interesting one um

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you can actually hear the audio between

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the pilots as they encountered this

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object um and it kind of tickled me

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because we all know the dude what the

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hell is that thing from from the

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pentagon videos and in this video you

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have a british pilot yelling i have no

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idea what that is as he's flying past it

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and i just thought yep that's the

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blighty version

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yeah that's the by jove look at that

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what what what so yeah you've got that

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polite epilate british reaction to these

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things as well um

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obviously that the title of the book

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skinwalkers at the pentagon raises some

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eyes as well because it's not just about

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the ufo programs but it's again digging

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into the fact that you had the

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bigelow aerospace investigation it was a

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24-month long program

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um

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from the interview dan

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immediately i would say i mean we spoke

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about the databases already they specify

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11 separate databases from around the

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world uk included um

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they then state that individuals here in

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the u.s and beyond the united states had

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medical effects and this is the bit that

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really stood out to me because we've

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seen it in the legislation hr hr4350 and

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5412. god that's a lot to remember um

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but

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that they've both both those bills now

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have anomalous health effects and and

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kind of directions to study and get the

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information and properly help people who

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were affected by this so it's

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interesting to see it come up at this

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time

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yeah and obviously one of the cases

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column mentions george just asked him

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obviously and i'm sure he was prepared

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for the questions he was about to get uh

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can you talk about any of them

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particularly and he talks about a

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biotech biotech engineer biotech

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engineer uh yeah yeah biotech engineer

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from oregon with his daughter yeah and

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they're driving along c3 ufos in the

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distance they

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seem to notice the car drive towards the

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car they fly or move towards the car

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enter the car so i'm guessing that's

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that trans medium because i'm sure they

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didn't just fly through open windows so

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i'm guessing they moved through the

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glass yeah there's a suggestion there

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isn't them and then it's reported that

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they they kind of cross paths a very

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small baseball sized but

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one of the objects passes through the

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shoulders

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of of the the gent driving the car and

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this has some severe impacts afterwards

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and i've put in brackets you know i've

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been quizzical on orbs in the past and

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but are we talking orb type objects do

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you think here yeah i mean baseball size

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that's what we're looking at it made me

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think of um you know not the diminisher

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but more lightning you know i'm

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fascinated by i think it's a much more

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intriguing phenomena than the dismissive

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way that it's used um

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but you know even that if it's that and

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that passed through you know through one

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shoulder sideways and came out the other

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solder i mean that's gonna

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really damage you inside and as soon as

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i thought that you know they started

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listing the effects pain nausea left

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face sunburn like close encounters of

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the third kind roy in there losing hair

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left eye damaged ear damaged you know

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just really really kind of scary effects

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and it got a really serious illness from

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it and it sounded pretty bad at one

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point but they did mention it was

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managed it managed to be treated which

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is great and it sounds like his daughter

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was also okay as well uh so that's

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that's one pretty fascinating case

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it's not something i think we'll hear

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too much of is it because they did

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mention that patient medical

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confidentiality they're not just going

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to spell loads of cases and kind of what

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happened and you're not going to get

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names from it as well and i think that's

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probably important to mention now that

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they do mention the book was um gone

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through by the the us you know the us

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government the right departments

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and that it was it was cleared for

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release

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i imagine much of what was taken out is

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probably nothing

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necessarily juicy that people would want

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it'll be personal details names any

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locations that they feel is a little bit

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sensitive

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so

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and to be fair that the names of the

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people attached to this book the authors

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themselves will know what can and can't

401
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go into one of these books they didn't

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write a tell-all that the us government

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then had to go and remove details from

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so i'm sure they're they're very clever

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individuals and know what they're doing

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and i suppose it's going to be the same

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for luis elizondo's book that he knows

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exactly what can and can't go into a

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book and how it can be about it as well

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is that fair to say yeah absolutely um

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jeremy corbell posted a front cover of

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what i assume is the the manuscript um

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that he'd been reading and there was a

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bit more of an extensive statement from

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the the dod on there

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um and it just basically says you know

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the views expressed in this book are the

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views of the author and don't

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and then at the end it says where

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appropriate in order to protect

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personally identifiable information and

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protected health information names and

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details have been changed so i think

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you're exactly right on that yeah um and

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that's that folks and i think there's

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going to be a lot of really good content

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within the book regardless

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i would just like to mention as well for

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for those that and i bring us up time to

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time on the podcast depending on what

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we're talking about dan you'll know this

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when we hear about loving light and all

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of these 80s being super friendly and we

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know there's been some celebrities in

435
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the news talking about this recently as

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well

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this

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love and light and all things good

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whatever these objects are whether it

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was deliberate or not they they have

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caused someone to

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more than likely almost die

443
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and you know they they could have caused

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a child to get really ill as well and we

445
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don't know if that possibly did happen

446
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or not but this is where you've got to

447
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look at it from an objective point of

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view

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and

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there's no doubt more than one

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phenomenon at play in all of this as

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well

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but like

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i would ask are these same baseball

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sized orb type objects any relation at

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all to tic tacs

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my gut feeling is probably not

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however

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it's it's something that you've got to

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look at and question and discuss and

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talk about but i i have the opposite gut

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feeling do you think i do

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only in the sense that i think they're

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using the same kind of physical or the

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the same laws of physics to do what they

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do

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not necessarily made by the same people

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just you know using the same techniques

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similar techniques i'll say there's

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discussions on that for another show

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down the line i think somewhere that's a

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good speculative one

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but like i say this for me when you talk

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about loving light and all these uh

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beings and entities and the whole

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phenomena isn't dangerous whether it

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means to be or not there are some very

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serious fix effects when people interact

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with it that they can't do anything

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about at the time so

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that's just that's just an air in that

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coffin for me straight away and it's

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something that people do have to and

484
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again let's let's go way back to an old

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trope but the whole threat narrative you

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know are these things a threat well do

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you know what if by just coming into

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contact with these objects

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that you can end up with some almost

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form of cancer from it i would say

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that's a threat that's not to say they

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meant to do that or the objects were

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even aware

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but it happens so you have to be careful

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that's a good point actually threat

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threat is

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different to intent you know the two

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separate conversations whether these

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things intend to damage us that's a

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different outcome to whether we're just

501
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damaged by proximity by you know

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electromagnetic some interference or

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something like that you if you stumble

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dan if you're out in the and you know

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for a walk and you stumble across some

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you know nuclear waste that's been

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discarded

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the the intent

509
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of the waste it just it's just existence

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as what it is it has the effects that it

511
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has on its surroundings it didn't its

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intent wasn't to harm you but

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it was harmful because of its made

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existence and how it exists the state of

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it

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um so that that's the way this has

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potentially got to be looked at so yeah

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that's that's an interesting one and for

519
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me also the fact it was mentioned by

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james that this was a closed program it

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was not an official sap so it wasn't a

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special access program that even james

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mentioned senior officials and leaders

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in that very department did not know

525
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about this they did not know it was

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being run so again that just goes to

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show you that these things

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just because again we're not experts

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done we we throw about things like sap

530
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and all your sdi and all these acronyms

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that we learn and we find out about but

532
00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:15,600
people get too caught up in well they

533
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would have known about x y and z we

534
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don't know that and that's what i think

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we're usually quite good at saying that

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you've found out here from one of the

537
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experts someone who was involved this

538
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was a program that

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people directly involved with them and

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above them did not know was running

541
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alongside all this other stuff that was

542
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going on i think that was a really

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interesting take from the interview yeah

544
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yeah absolutely and we know that harry

545
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reid tried to get sap status for um for

546
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atip and was turned down um

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and

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you've gotta wonder you know

549
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sap you usually protecting something and

550
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we we all suspect that there are

551
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programs that have been studying this

552
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,640
for longer and at becoming an sap

553
00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:58,799
might have meant that their information

554
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,559
could have been combined

555
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,480
so

556
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,320
i guess to say that the secret keepers

557
00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:06,320
are being very protective and don't want

558
00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:08,960
to play ball on this you know but it

559
00:20:15,909 --> 00:20:14,549
yeah dr kelleher also mentions that you

560
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:15,919
know what the book has been a long time

561
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:17,840
coming it can address some confusion out

562
00:20:23,990 --> 00:20:20,000
there over the program that there were

563
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,000
over 100 reports in a 24-month period

564
00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:26,559
sent to the dia he says it was a six

565
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,200
feet high stack of data when you stood

566
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,679
next to it the actual physical proof

567
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:33,840
um there was deep dives into cases and

568
00:20:37,750 --> 00:20:35,679
topics so not just high-level stuff but

569
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:37,760
some of these they really went into went

570
00:20:42,870 --> 00:20:40,799
in too hard uh dr lakatsky gets uh call

571
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,880
out as being the driving force behind us

572
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,080
in dc

573
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:46,080
and george knapp also mentioned senator

574
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,480
harid and bob bigelow fought to get that

575
00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,880
program up and running but also that

576
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,720
there were predators in the pentagon

577
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:55,120
that caused significant issues and it

578
00:20:59,270 --> 00:20:56,720
could have been so much further down the

579
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,280
line without that interference which i

580
00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:00,720
suppose is something we all expect

581
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,880
happens within the halls of government

582
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:04,000
but it's just

583
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:05,679
disappointing but reinforces that it

584
00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:07,679
does go on doesn't it yeah yeah

585
00:21:11,029 --> 00:21:09,360
absolutely something else that comes

586
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:11,039
from what you just said as well the the

587
00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:12,400
fact that

588
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:14,720
this book has been prepared for two

589
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,720
years i i think it was the directive

590
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:17,840
time

591
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:20,960
people have given george knapp a lot of

592
00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:24,080
crap quite frankly about certain things

593
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:25,840
and and this is one of those moments

594
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,200
where you kind of have to realize that

595
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:28,799
he's talking to a lot of people a lot a

596
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:30,720
lot of times and it's kind of like your

597
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:33,679
analogy about tom you know having a 40

598
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,559
pieces out of a 100 piece jigsaw puzzle

599
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,480
and kind of starting to get a good idea

600
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:40,400
you know we should stop being hung up on

601
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,960
say punctuation of the title for example

602
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:45,280
and start talking about the content

603
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,480
fully

604
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,000
and you know what i think we've got to

605
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:49,600
say to kind of round off the the kind of

606
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,760
short breaking news dan that we enjoy

607
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:54,000
the speculation as well don't we we

608
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,520
don't mind the fact of stuff here that

609
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,600
we don't know we can't see that still

610
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,360
has to be investigated that may or may

611
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,360
not come out but we enjoy that

612
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,960
conversation and i think a lot of you

613
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,559
listening to this enjoy that as well

614
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,840
from from what we hear in the

615
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,840
interactions we have that

616
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:09,280
if you really go back to why you get

617
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,640
involved in this subject in the first

618
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,440
place

619
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,919
the stuff that we don't know is

620
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:15,760
as exciting if not better than the stuff

621
00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,120
that we do

622
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:19,280
and i just love the fact that you've got

623
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,960
people like uh dr lakatsuki dr keller

624
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:24,880
and george knapp working on this sort of

625
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:27,280
material because you know what again i'm

626
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:29,120
no doubt within their respective fields

627
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:31,280
they face a lot of hardship and ridicule

628
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,200
for the work they put in to get this

629
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,840
sort of material out to everyone as well

630
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,159
so i would urge people to pick up skin

631
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:40,000
walkers at the pentagon an insider's

632
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:42,799
account of the secret ufo program it is

633
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,960
free if you have kindle unlimited so you

634
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:46,799
can go and walk read that right now you

635
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,120
can get it for well seven pounds 31

636
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:51,280
which is no doubt about 10 or 11

637
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:53,840
um or it's 12 pounds 45 and paperback i

638
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,520
like a hard copy of a book and i have

639
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,080
picked that one up as well once dan and

640
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:00,080
i have read the book as well we'll come

641
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:03,840
back and do some reviewing of it too

642
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:05,440
there will be so many developments by

643
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:08,559
that point as well you know i i have 110

644
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,799
faith that as of today black vault is

645
00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,960
sat in his chair filing foyers left

646
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,640
right and center from new information in

647
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,240
this like everything

648
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,480
answers just raise more questions people

649
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:19,840
are doing the work let's see how this

650
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:23,039
pans out it's exciting absolutely and i

651
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:25,280
will be asking paulo gazadi who is one

652
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,159
of the

653
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,280
heads over at icer and project titan uh

654
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:30,960
about this later on in my interview that

655
00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:33,360
will be out next monday it'll be early

656
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,840
access on the

657
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,159
patreon.com forward slash that ufo

658
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:38,640
podcast or you can check out on apple

659
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:41,520
premium as well so keep a look out for

660
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,120
that folks a lot still to come out over

661
00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:45,360
the next few days dan thanks for joining

662
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:48,080
me short notice thank you

663
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,200
you don't have anything better to do

664
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,960
anybody do your sorts of no not at all

665
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:52,960
no editing or anything no no

666
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,799
it'll work thank you very much folks and

667
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,039
we'll speak soon that is all for this

668
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,720
week's show thank you very much for

669
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,720
listening please remember to leave the

670
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671
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00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,320
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680
00:24:31,050 --> 00:24:27,919
and again folks as always keep looking

681
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:31,060
up you never know what you might see

682
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champagne

683
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[Music]

684
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:46,410
scare me

685
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:48,630
[Music]

686
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:50,159
if you really want to know who i think

687
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:52,480
they've been against you and me and us

688
00:26:06,230 --> 00:25:57,650
and me and him and her and that and she

689
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,240
[Music]

690
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:10,549
heart serious

691
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:15,810
consider your space consider your lies

692
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:30,670
[Music]

693
00:26:45,310 --> 00:26:38,480
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

694
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[Music]

695
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it's very smooth

696
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so